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Speaking and being Newfie

edit David Janes 2004-02-10 10:48 UTC 10 comments  ·

Amritas quotes:

I wonder what David would think of this essay comparing Newfinese to Ebonics:

When I first left Newfoundland at the ripe old age of nineteen, it was an occasion and prime example of culture shock. Not because of a sheltered lifestyle, but because my use of my "home language" it was difficult for many to understand unless very familiar with it ...

... I became ashamed of my accent, my heritage, and at one point believed what other Canadians had always said ... [T]he term "Stupid Newfies". A language barrier between one province and the remainder of the country had given them the impression that we were stupid. A joke they say. Don't take offense. Well, I guess you'd have to live it to understand. When it came to the levels of education, ours were excellent and in keeping with the Canadian standards, but we can't seem to shake the barrier raised because of our "dialects". Canadians, and after last night, Americans too, see us as stupid because of our language.

This would most likely be the same sentiment felt by the African American population.

There's several different things going on here which I'll address.

First, "Newfie-speak" has two issues (if you care to call them that): the accent and the dialect.

I had a friend from England who came to Newfoundland for his honeymoon (Newfoundland is an exotic place if you come from Europe!). He's pretty good with languages and he said something that strikes me as quite true: there's no accent he heard in Newfoundland that doesn't exist somewhere in England. The Newfoundland accent is (accents are) fine. It's as good as any other accent, and perhaps better than some. Chicks dig the accent. Really. If it bothers you that much, a couple of small twists and you'll be mistaken for an Irishman. More than a few Newfoundlanders, for whatever reason, have made this jump.

The dialect is a different kettle of fish altogether. English has a reasonably well defined grammar and if you're going to drop out of it, I suggest that you know when and why you are doing it if you want to be taken seriously by other English speakers. Sorry, that's just the way it. I learned as an adult that the past tense of "beat" is not "bet" and you can too.

Next, there's the whole issue of being a "stupid newfie". This has nothing to with accent or dialect and a lot to with ignorance and/or bigotry. No person ever has to stand around and take shit from a stranger. However, I follow one of my prime directives here: "a fool takes offense where none was meant". If offense was meant, act accordingly; if it wasn't, make the correction*.

Finally, the comparison of ebonics/blacks and newfie/newfies is apt, though not in the way the author of the quote above intends. There's been a movement that's been particularly strong in the last 10-15 years to change ourselves. To call ourselves "Newfoundlanders" rather than "Newfies", to shun events such as the "screeching in**", and so forth.

To me, this movement is just internalizing the loathing of ignorant idiots. Rather than saying "f*ck off, mainlander", the members of this movement are saying "maybe they have a point, maybe if I change, maybe they'll like us then". Bah. The problem is with them, not with us.

* They're mainlanders, they can't help being kind of stunned.
** Reasonable description of screeching in here.

Comment #1Alan

2004-02-10 12:16:14
If I had any thoughts that Newfs were stunned (which I never did being a bluenoser - I reserved that for New Brunswickers) it would have been immediately dispelled the first week of law school when all the Bay street partners' kids with UCC educations were eviscerated by townie and bayman alike, who with wit and force ripped apart banal and pompous arguments with pleasure. Most of the best study groups by the end of the year courted or were led by your countrymen. Best anthem as well...after "Farewell to Nova Scotia".

Comment #2David

2004-02-10 12:26:49
Farewell to Nova Scotia? The flea-bitten coasta?

At my brother's wedding, there was a rendition of the Ode, which all the Newfs knew (more or less). One of the mainlanders asked "what are you guys, in a cult or something?"

Comment #3Alan

2004-02-10 14:04:41
I was at wedding like that with Farewell, Ode and others and then some nice lady stand up well into my double digits of pints and starts singing Cape Breton lullabies in the Gaelic. We were all teary in an alcove of this hotel bar where we sat singing and drinking and then we got up to leave, we realize half of the wedding crowd has been sitting in rows watching and listening to us. One said the next day "it was like drinking with elves".

Comment #4Matthew :)

2004-02-12 05:21:51
Damn! All this time I thought the Newfoundlander anthem was "You may think it's goofy/But the man in the moon is a Newfie."

Comment #5Geoff

2007-02-12 18:03:44

You Newfies wish it was the way you speak.  Its also that you are very, very stupid.

Comment #6nadine

2007-07-31 02:30:23

I blogged about this a little while back myself. It should be noted that there is no "newfie accent" there is a variety of newfoundland dialects.

 We have a complex history that contributed to the way we developed our wonderful variety of dialects, our colorful lexicon and our quick jargon. We should be proud that we have something so unique and special. I am hoping we never lose it completely.

Comment #7Russ

2007-10-29 00:11:09

Waydago, Nadine!   Linguists claim at least five dialects of Newfoundland island based on historical use, vocab and phonetics. All of them are as old as the pubs of London, UK, which makes them MUCH older than Canada (or the USA)! Interesting that theatergoers who may obsess over Shakespeare may also have the temerity to criticize someone speaking a Newfoundland dialect that originated from the speech of the Bard himself! It obviously says more about the pathetically ill-informed critic than the long-standing linguistic tradition being criticized. But then, ignorance is easy, eh, b'y.

Comment #8joan

2007-11-10 04:42:28

For anyone interested in a study about the word Newfie try and get a copy of  one by Ruth King(York University Canada ) and Sandra Clark(MUN Newfoundland) published by Blackwell Publishers Ltd.2002. Title:Contesting Meaning: Newfie and the politics of ethnic labeling. It is an interesting account of how Newfoundlanders   see the term depending on if they live in the province or if they live elsewhere.

Comment #9Ian

2008-01-30 12:10:51

 I now live in Kamloops however, I wasn't raised in Canada nor do I call myself a Candian. But I feel have a damn good clue on where your coming from. My native tongue happens to be in the Mid-Kentucky Appalachian dialect with a potent Pennyroyal accent. I know, I know, telling all the specifics what most people see as hill-billy talk, might not mean much to someone who not even from the same country. But I have pride in where I came from, and chose not hind it. Thou sometimes I am forced to give a translation or two, I'll say "I'd Reckon'in them thar cherds yonder in that thre anga is carried?" Than re-say "Are those chairs, in the corner are taken?". Needless say I too, get a bit of "Stupid Hick".

Comment #10CJ

2008-05-17 17:26:24

Not only is it the colloquial speech but the fact that Newfoundland had a poor education system in its early years that tends to lend toward the sterotype. In 1900 majority of the province was considered illiterate. Data from 2003 reveals that over 50% of people aged 16-65 in Newfoundland are scoring in the two lowest literacy proficiency levels. Data also shows that 16% of adults in British Columbia are illiterate compared to 46% in Newfoundland. Remember though that literacy levels are not about how ‘smart’ people are, but rather what kinds of skills they have had the opportunity to develop. In our city of Fort McMurray the Newfoundlander has indeed devloped those skills and remain proud of their heritage,

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