THE CAS ARE A BAND OF CRIMINALS. PARENTAL ALIENATION IS A CRIME AGAINST CHILDREN.

MY THREE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER HASEN'T SEEN HER DADDY IN OVER A YEAR. TOO BAD I CAN"T FIND A COP,A JUDGE,A SOCIAL WORKER WITH ENOUGH OXYGEN RUNNING TO THEIR BRAIN TO ACKNOWLEDGE A TEEN BOY WHO TELLS A SIX YEAR OLD GIRL SHE IS A "SEXY BITCH IN HER BIKINI AND HE WOULD HAVE HER", POSES A THREAT. I WILL BE ON THE FRONT LINE IN THE BATTLE AGAINST THESE CORRUPT  BASXXXDS FROM HERE ON IN.

I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT I SAY AND THEY KNOW WHO I AM AND WHERE I AM.

FEEL FREE TO PRINT MY NAME OR CONTACT ME.

CAS contacted my fiancees parents and convinced them that we were horrible parents and my fiancees parents took our children away. On our court date the childrens grandmother brought up the point that CAS contacted them by way of a phone call and told them that the children were not safe with us. The judge said that he wants nothing to do with CAS because all they do is hide in the bushes and get other people to do their work for them. CAS are a bunch of manipulative, conniving, sneaky, sons of bitches! I don't care what anyone has to say about this. I'd like to see someone tell me any different about them!

I wish someone could tell me how to conquer the CAS. My son is now four, I have been fighting them, and the man (my "best friend"), his step father--that decided he wants to keep him for 3 years. I cannot even win a single victory, the judge and CAS does not let me speak either in writing or in person...............................no one has control over them.

Hello,

My name is Elizabeth

I have read your story and can only imagine what you have felt. I hope that all is well by now. If not, I would like to tell you the secret and what I believe helped me win my case.
Keep it real at all times. The Society may tell you not to cry in front of the children or not to get angry at them. The police may say that they do not get involved in a CHILDREN'S AID CASE unless it is to support them. FIGHT THEM WITH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. DO NOT GIVE UP BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO.

I had to take legal aid and you know what those lawyers are like. Most of my information, I had to file myself. I fought for 5 years and Just this past January my children were returned to me. I have lost my house. My job and just about any friends because I had to put my children's interest first. The Society went as far to say that I should give my kids up. I now have high blood pressure. Diabetis and some nights I wake up and check to see that my two boys are really home. They took my boys in feb 2002 and even though I won them in 2004 they kept on appealing the matter until they finally decided to give up. My boys were returned to me with a lot of anger as much like yours, they want us the mother to make it right. Now I have decided to sue the bastards. I tell them as it is. everything from fuck you to leave me alone. Much like you I want this to stop.
My advise, always stay one step ahead of thee bastards. They are poisen and the world should know and see them for the spineless snakes that they are.

Sincerely,

Elizabeth

Hi Elizabeth (and all)

I was surprised to find so many people going through the same thing as me. Unfortunately, things have only gotten worse. I have searched tirelessly night after night looking for answers. I figure someone, somewhere will be able to help. I have filed my answers too-the court 2 year anniversary came and went in February, the total time spend in this is now nearing 4 years. I am shamefully preparing for my next court date on March 20th, at which time I am requesting to go to trial despite disapproval from my (legal aid) lawyer, family, friends etc. I figure this will be the only way to have my voice heard. My son's step-father has falsley accused me of assaulting him, so I now have another court proceeding to contend with-but I assume that it will dismiss quickly, as there cannot possibly be any grounds-just another angle for him to attempt to break me down. Little does he know that although my health, now too is failing (I am only 29), I will not give up, even if it does kill me. My son and I will have our peace. I just wish it wasnt taking so long. I do not have money, tricks, connections, power, to help me..........I just hold strong to my belief that sooner or later someone HAS to listen. I dream of the day when my son doesnt have to leave me. I have been threatened that I cannot tell my son the truth about his "dad" (not being his real dad)-otherwise I will never see him again. This guy enrolled my son under a false name in JK last September in an attempt to stone wall me yet again-I caught it, but CAS still doesnt do anything about it "it is not a child protection issue". says CAS. He moved, changed babysitters, and enrolled him under a false name in school, ALL behind my back (and CAS's), ALL within the same week, then tried to deny it all when he got caught. That seems concerning to me.......

  ASk me about other incidents, I have LOTS more.....................

To all reading this, if you are in a similar situation: fight fight fight. Catch me on a different day, and I may say give up, there is no hope. Reading things like this is all that keeps me going. My family and friends all care for me and only have my best interests in mind, but most wish I would give up for now, and hope that one day when my son is old enough, he will find me on his own. I just cannot do that; I love him (and he loves me) way too much. There has to be a way to topple the CAS. here is my email address for comments, suggestions, support, and constructive critic. daisy_angel1977@yahoo.ca

Hello, My name is Marlene

I understand exactly what you are going through with those people.My family has been fighting for my grandsons for almost 18 months and it has been a living hell. This has been a living nightmare and somedays I feel which will never end, but one thing is for sure as what I have told them people as long as I am living and breathing we will never give up and that goes for you and your family because thats what they want us to do. As long as they have your children and my grandchildren they have jobs and money in there pockets. Most of these assholes we have had to deal with haven't even experienced being a parent it's all by a book, well you can't raise all children by a book because they are all different. I will be the first one to admit that I'm not perfect but then who is perfect. What makes my husband and I mad is they say if the boys were to be placed in our care that we would harm them mentally and physically and we would neglect them. They are so far from the truth,and they have traumitized those boys more then we would in a lifetime. Just don't give up whatever you do because believe me that is what they want.

yours truly,Marlene

Hello all!

My name is Judith and I have been through seven years of hell with the CAS.  My son was taken from me at the age of eight and has been in foster care and in and out of group homes until the age of fifteen.  He has been through more than anyone can imagine and is finally speaking out about his terrible ordeal.  He has ran away from every group home that the CAS has placed him in and the CAS considers him AWAL.  Don't they understand that he does not want to be in these houses of horror and only wants to be free?  He is almost sixteen and is trying now to get his life on track.  I have thought about suing the CAS for the damages they have caused him but I know this is a difficult battle.  The CAS lawyers cover up everything and pretend that nothing ever happened.  I will never give up hope that my son will turn out OK and become a responsible adult.

To all those parents out there who have been through a similar nightmare, don't give up and fight for your kids!

Judith

Hello all My name is shannon and as you all I am going through hell with cas and what is hurting me the most is I was hit by a car 7 years ago and was put on disability and now cas is going after my disability. I have 3 wonderful children which I love and I am fight with cas to keep them but every time I turn around I can't do anything right...I have had cas on with me since I had my first child 7 years ago and ever time the 6 month is up they give me new court papers and now it is worse because they are going after memory problem...I hear a lot of you saying not to give up which I am trying not to but its hard when they drive you down. My oldest is also scared he is going to be taken..I really do wish somehow use parent could do something but we can't..I guess all we can do is hope some day and some how the children aid society will change to work with family insted of kidnap our children and put them in worse thing... I do know what cas put kids into because when I was 16 I told them were to go put they did take  my sister and now she is messed up from there putting her in home after home

I hope the best to all

Its about money.  If social services identifies you as needy, government has a big decision to make.  If they give the young mother the money that they now give to the CAS and the foster parents, this will encourage huge welfare rolls.  Since Harris, this pathetic middle class of Canada with too much money that looks bad with shrunken brains from narrow experience, hates the poor.  If you don't care about money and are young, you are a target.  You can't just have a kid.  You have to have an abortion.  And if you don't, they seize your kid (if your a teenager or young or your family disowns you or they sniff out your financial 'attitude').

 and then, you can read a blog like this that can drone on for a bit about the Foster parent's rights without even mentioning the ACTUAL parents.  They don't count at all in the middle class mentality, that is paying for the Foster Care.

This middle class thinks all social services are in fact Charity.  They are a sorry bunch.

Well, we have the CAS, a bunch of lying and manipulative bastards - especially some "worker" named Tammy Lockyer. She stole my son from my home and put him through a nightmare, all I'm waiting for is just the day when he turns 18 and is finally free to come home where he belongs.

 My sympathy to all of you,

Brandon

I agree, CAS should be abolished and all these pathetic, untrained, fanatic, child abusers forbidden to not only be around children, but should be forbidden to have their own children.  The amount of damage they cause with their lies to children is unbelievable.  With so many children dying each year under CAS direct care it is hard to swallow the fact that this corporation is still alllowed to operate in this country.  This organization is full of absolute psychopaths.  The public is slowly being informed of this unlawful, corrupt organization and The Children's Aid Society has reacted to this pressure lately being running a bunch of new commercials pushing their own importance.  Too many children have died in the system, we refer to these poor children as the children who have been protected to death by The Children's Aid Society.

CAS is the real child abusers and exposure and their own fanatic beliefs are slowly destroying them.  Change is coming everyone, get ready to sue them as they are a private corporation and once the levy breaks so will the organization known as Children's Aid Society.  The citizens are starting to educate themselves on the truth.

Were do cas get off ruining happy familys does any one not make at least 1 mistake this is what is happening to me april 21 2006 my spouse and i had a domestic disput no police involvement but my 8 year old saw some of it so she told her class teacher and they called cas. cas stated they wanted us to seperate for a while and for him to seek counselling and then he could return then in march of 07' i asked what my kinark worker (special needs worker) thought i should do because back in that fight he was drunk and said for me to watch it if i ever left him. i only was wondering how to ask if that was still something i had to worry about without opening heald wounds because we where doing great i just thought about what would ever happen so thy called cas and cas gave me three days to leave or my kids would be gone which was confussing because everything was actually great. so i went into shelter and got housing and called him to say that the girls and i were ok and i was sorry they told me i could not tell him what was going on so my 5 year old over heard me talking to him and asked to speak to him and she invited him to her b-day we started spending alot of time together he was enjoying spending time with the girl even thoughthey are not his biological,he still treats them like they are!anyways my service contract stated the children weere to have no contact with him without permission from cas. Tonight they came and tried to take the kids and threatened if they see him or communicate in any way they would be taken they cant even say hi through any body they dont want to loose there dad and i dont blame them he has straightened up alot just to have his family back!they said i can see him whenever but no communicating for the kids what can i do ?

thankyou can someone please help im falling apart my family is scared of the loss

Dear Charmaine,

I cried when I read this because I really feel for you.  I am going through pretty much the same thing right now, except I lost my kids. They told me I had to leave him and I did but without him a part of me was missing.  We kept in touch although we weren,t together and he would spend the night sometimes without the children knowing. CAS got news of this and took my kids.

I feel I have no support from them, they make me feel inferior. Instead of working with me to help me get my children back it seems they try to keep me down.  No parent is perfect, we all make mistakes, I made some bad choices but I am a damn good mother. Even though I am not middle class and cannot provide brand name clothes and cannot keep up with the Jones' my children are very well loved and the bond we have is very strong.  I nursed all four of them and brought them up the best I could. My children are well rounded pretty normal kids. My heart breaks for them because their world is turned upside down now. They have been in care for eight months now and my oldest attended three different schools, it is a good thing she is pretty resilient and can adjust well to new situations.  I am sure she is affected by all this because she damn well hates the cas. My kids can't wait to be returned back to me.  They look forward to our visits and it hurts them terribly to have to leave their home every week and return to their "new homes".  I have been through alot since this all happened.  I am a pretty level headed person but they bring me feel out of control and make me feel there is something "Wrong" with me.

Honestly,for all you reading this..... what is more harmful to a child- to see their parents fight or to be ripped out of their loving mother's arms and be placed with strangers.  You be the judge.

I HAVE A MAJOR ISUE WITH THESE MONEY HUNGRY BITCHES. CAS ARE THE WORST SOCIETY AGENCY EVER PUT UP. THEY DON'T INVESTIGATE LIKE THERE TOLD TO, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT OUR CHILDREN, THEY ARE ONLY THERE FOR THE MONEY, THE ONLY REASON THEY TAKE OUR CHILDREN IS TO SECURE THERE NEXT PAY CHECK. I AGREE THERE ARE SOME CHILDREN IN NEED OF PROTECTION, BUT TO INVESTIGATE, BEFORE TAKING ACTION.

MY DAUGHTER WAS APREHENDED FOR A COMPLAINT CAS GOT ABOUT ME SMOKING WEED. WHO FUCKING CARES, SHE WAS ALWAYS TAKEN CARE OF, ALWAYS CLEAN, FULL STOMACH, NEVER WENT WITHOUT NOTHING. I ONLY SMOKE A FEW PUFFS OF A JOINT BEFORE GOING TO BED, THIS WAS MY WAY OF RELAXING FROM MY BUSY MOTHERHOOD DAY,READING A BOOK, OR TAKING A BATH WITH A FEW PUFFS TO HELP ME GO TO BED.

THIS WAS NNNOOO REASON FOR TAKING MY BABY, NOW SHE IS IN A PLACE SHE HATES TO BE, SHE TELLS HER LAWYER THAT MOMMY NEVER HIT HER,NEVER YELLED, AND IS ALWAYS HAPPY WITH HER, SHE TELLS HER LAWYER SHE WANTS TO BE HOME WITH MOMMY, AND THAT SHE MISSES ME, ALL THIS FROM A 3 YEAR OLD. LIKE COMME ON, IF I WAS SO BAD  AND NIGLECTED HER,BECAUSE OF WEED(NEVER), SHE'D BE ABLE TO TELL HER LAWYER THAT. BUT NO, KHIANA(MY DAUGHTER) HAS NEVER SAID A BAD THING ABOUT ME. SHE CRIES AND FREAKS OUT EVERY VISIT I HAVE WITH HER(EVERY MONDAY AND THURSDAYS) SHE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHY SHE CAN'T BE WITH ME, HER LITTLE HEART IS BROKEN AND TROMATISED, AND THEY SAY THERE ARE IN THE BUSINESS FOR THE CHILD'S BEST INTEREST.. BULL SHIT, THEY HURT ME AND MY ANGEL,THEY DID NOT HELP IN ANY WAY. THEY ARE TARING MY DAUGHTER APART....... SOCIETY IS BULL SHIT, AND NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO ALOT STRONGER. THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD REALLY THINK ABOUT SETTING UP A HIGHER SOCIETY TO OVER LOOK THESE ASSHOLES...

MY DAUGHTER AND I ABSALUTLY DID NOT DESERVE THIS, SHE NEEDS TO RETURN TO HER HOME. YOU TELL ME IF THERE'S ANYTHING SADDER THEN SEING YOUR BABY GIRL BEING RIPPED OUT OF YOUR ARMS, SCREAMING AND HITTING THE WORKER CUZ SHE WANTS TO BE WITH YOU, AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO, BUT TO GIVE IT TIME , TO PROVE YOURSELF..................... I HATE YOU GUYS ALL(CAS). AND I DON'T CARE WHO READS THIS, THEY NEED TO HEAR IT.  AND MY DAUGHTER NEEDS HER MOTHER.

Can someone give me some advice on how to deal and answer CAS questions, about disciplining ure child

The CAS is a disgrace to child welfare.  Since the death of the dooly child that was under watch of a CAS child, they have made it sooo easy to take children from their homes... all they need is words on paper.  Evidence is a thing of the past in the family courts system.

My daughter was taken from me when she was 8 years old.  They accused me of leaving my daughter at home alone while I went out and "partied".  First of all, anyone who knows me, knows I DONT DRINK and I DONT PARTY.  Short of going to every bar in Toronto and requesting them to sign a document asking if they recognise me as a regular patron, you are left playing the "he said, she said" game which a family can NEVER win against thanks to the CAS getting all the credibility with the judge.  I finally went to my MPP.  My daughter was returned 2 weeks later (this is after a 2 year fight), I got a letter of apology and they closed my case.  One year later, I met a wonderful man (my finance) my daughter and I both love.  He lives in a great area in the chicago suburbs.  CAS kidnapped my daughter from his care while I was visiting in TO stating "you abandoned her with some guy".  And they used Homeland Security to do it.  They aparently contacted Department of Child and Family Services on "numerous occasions" but in USA the DCFS investigates based on evidence... not just bullshit words on paper and according to my latest court documents DCFS didnt investigate.  (you would think maybe because they are more aware of the area I lived in.... example... the school system is in the top 2% of the entire USA, the crime rate is the lowest in the chicago area, and it is a tight, close family community)  So they contacted the toronto police child explotation unit, making a claim that I "smuggled my daughter across the border and sold her to some guy". Homeland Security apprehended my daughter and my finace, interrogated both of them for hours before contacting me.  Found NO VALIDITY to the CAS accusations and even apologized to my Finance.  THey called me, (at 11pm at night) and told me they dont know the state laws and as far as they are concerned my Finance is not her legal guardian.  They told me to get back to chicago asap and they would release her and I could get documentation from my lawyer in IL stating the facts and the law.  Well, I had an hour to get downtown to the bay street bus station and on a bus, which I did.  By the time I got to chicago, CAS has spun their web of BULLSHIT around Homeland Security, and convinced them with my so called "documented past" (which let me remind you they apologized to me for a year before hand)  that my parenting was under question.  NOw first of all... if any of the original accusations were found true... both my finace and I would be both arrested. Neither of us have been.   My daughter is now 14, back in the CAS's care, my finace is here with me in Toronto and we are trying to get her back.  Funny thing... all those things they apologized for in the past, are all back in the court papers as if they are legit.  My daughter's will to fight is almost at an end.  She told me "Mom, if we dont win this round, I cant fight anymore"

My heart is breaking and my will has been tried and tried again.  People in the system are trying to buy her, fill her head with BS, (they did a psycho-educational assessment on my daughter and told her for 2 years she was disabled.... when I got her back from them and got her tested through the school board she qualified for gifted school with 98 percentile.... that didnt stop them from saying in the court documents..."mother is out of touch with her daughter's needs.... child is not gifted like mother claims but disabled and mother has unrealistic expectations of her daughter".....

 I cant wait to not only go infront of the review commitee but I want to go to the supreme court of canada with my charter of rights and get this wrong made right.  Not just for me and my daughter, but for all the other families out there who I have witnessed over the years having their will broken and their children lost.

One thing I can say... if you are currently in a battle with the CAS over BS.... go to www.canadacourtwatch.com  those people empowered me and my daughter (teaching her her REAL rights) the first time I got my daughter back.  AND NEVER EVER MEET WITH A CAS WORKER WITHOUT A TAPE RECORDER.  But becareful... if the CAS finds out your child is meeting with advocates and learning their rights... they will stop your visitations.

God Bless all who have had to deal with the wrath of the childrens aid society.  May he keep us strong until true justice is served.

ANYONE who has issues with the CAS should immediatly go to

www.canadacourtwatch.com  ask to speak to Vernon if you are in the Toronto Area.  They have amazing ways of helping you get your children back.

Some are not aware but the laws now state after a child has been in care for 24 months, CAS can automatically get Crown Wardship of your child.  Contact the site.  They got my daughter back.... they cant keep CAS away, but they can help the fight.

Gino...

Unfortunatly 95% of the legal aid lawyers in the family court system SUCK, so I would normally tell you to speak to a lawyer first but I fired two, represented myself for the last year and I got further than my two lawyers did combined.  Contact Canada court watch and ask them.  They will give you the BEST advice ever. NEver meet with a CAS worker without a tape recorder.  As most people here know.. they will warp everything and anything you say.

Also if you dont trust your judge... under section 136 of the courts of justice act you have the right to record your hearings.  Check it out on the website... they even tell you exactly what to say to the judge so you can have your rights.

 God Bless and I send all of you will.  Will is the one thing they try to break... dont let them!

 It's one thing to take a child from the only home they ever remembered and loved, that child will return to the love that was taken away from them irraguardeless of what colour it is. HOpefuly that child will remember where they felt safest.

  My son sees the world in a rule free gangster sort of way. He ran to a stepfather whom no doubt loves him but cannot take care of himself unless his "OLD LADy can take care" of things. He has given up on working has never followed the rules smokes dope eats pills talks negative and has spent 3 quarters of his life in jail. The tricker is my son is of age to decide who he chooses to live with. My son wants no rules, just like his stepfather didn't want rules-the two fourteen year olds. His association with the bikers runs deep and my son has "voices" but it not monitoring if the stepfather has taken him to the hospital, The cas in fort frances has been notified of all this and they know through their own experience with him:my child has explained i want to drink smoke and have no conseqences, i want him safe but cannot  cas see-what life is that to be left in-we are making society accepting of that type of rule. cas is what-for who- for the future of our children do they really care or is it just to much work? If not you tell me what it is.

Its great that you all have come here to rant about CAS and to state your cases against them and you all are willing to fight you have made that evidently clear and some have even given others help by telling them places they can go to get help in their case..so whats next?

Keep fighting alone or ban together to make a legal fight against them and the unjustice they have inflicted upon so many families.

 I fortuantely don't have a first hand story to tell but I do know what its like to have children from your family takena nd be given no hope of their return. My cousin;s son's were taken and when family tried to get them they were rejected without validation as to why. They were not given any requirements they coudl meet to allow them to get their grandsons back they were simply told no... get everything in writing....anything they say to your face they can deny...if they arent putting it in writing its because they know what they are doing is wrong.  My 3 little sisters were also taken by CAS..they told my dad what he needed to do to get them back and he went above and beyond, he has had caseworkers fired because they complained about how they had no right to keep my sisters and they should go home, he has had CAS workers tell him to his face that CAS has no case and they should be returned but when question by lawyers they deny ever saying these things to save thir jobs.

What happened to standing up for the greater good of mankind? What happened to not allowing prejudice to invade our justice system? when did we become a society that sat back and let an organization emotionally and mentally disturb the children of our future? Its time for someone to take a real stand and fight legally against what they are doing to children. What they are doing is abusing and violating childrens rights. Lawyers are lazy they want easy cases with quick cash profit ....when did money become more important then fighting injustice?

We've decided to take a stand, my Aunt and I, to help find against an organization who realistically abducts your children from you and then tries to make you out to be some horrible scum of the earth.

There needs to be better guidelines for these people to operate on, there needs to be someone giverning their actions much more closesly, there needs to be lawyers who are so damn lazy and will do everything in their power to make sure no one's human rights are being stripped from them...children have as much right as anyone!

Let's stop teh abuse and ban together together to make sure these organization is no longer stealling children unjustly from their homes.

I am a 24 yr old single mother of two small children and I often get seen in a view point that is unjustly laid upon me. Not all young people are horrible ppl who cant be parents. I come from a wealthier family, I had a great child hood and I'm in University now for Biotechnology and I am actually thinking highly about going into Law, Family Law to be exact...so I'm not stupid. And I'm not willing to sit back and let these organization ruin children mentally and emotionally.

Children are our future, money should never be the reason we dont fight for their rights!

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we have been railroaded now for the at least the past 4years please help me because i really dont have a clue of what is going on we have 5 beautiful kids the cas has broke into my home and said that we were unfit to look after our children there was alwaysd los of food clean clothes and lots of love our kids want tro be returned to our home  if you can give me any advice please let me know MOM IN DISTRESSSS

marlene email me at money_mavin(at)yahoo.com   i can give you some ideas to help you but no guarantees.  they are a powerful organisation with very little accountability. they spin web after web after web till you cant handle anymore.  email me and i can give you some advice but no guarantee itll be over when you get them home. we can talk.  I wish there was a support group for this of some sort for the parents. there is nothing out there to help support us going this tragic and horrifying experience

I am a new mother of six days and today i had the cas  show up at my door with the police coming to take away my son becqause when i was three months pregbnate my bf was into some drug things that i was unaware of but we got raided but the opp found nothkng in the house exept pipes and two weeds roaches and we all where charged and they called the cas then the cas came and met with us and said that if we do drug test that they will close the file . i did 2 test for them and they misteriously got lost i thougt they got them. ow they have taken my son from both me and hois father untell they get further proof that we are fit this is his first child and my charges are being dropped unfortunatly he is going to jail for thirty days. the cas sasid that we cant be alone with our son at all and rthat they need us to prove that we are fit.. but this insadant happened woith out my knowlage abd when i was pregnate all my test have came up clean but we are still not alowed our rights can someone  please help me out on this one im lost,,,,

I just finished reading most of the comments and found alot of them remarkably like my story.   I am a 44 year old mother with a 2 1/2 year old and 4 year old and live with them in a rural farmhouse.  Just recently, I was playing with my kids on a Friday night.  I had had 3 beers when my little one ran after the ball we were playing with and bent down to pick it and hit her forehead on the corner of the coffee table.  It bled for a little bit and when I could see the cut i decided that she probably needed stitches.  My license is under suspension so i called my ex to come and get her and take her to the hospital and get it checked out.  He picked her up and I stayed with the 4 year old because it was 10pm. and he needed to go to sleep.  After 1 1/2 hours I called the hospital and was told they were still in the waiting room and this is not a busy hospital (Cobourg).  Obviously they did not feel this was a emergency to be dealt with immediately so I felt at little more at ease.  I had 3 more beer after I put my son to bed and waited for my ex to call me.  I heard nothing for that time period and put a pot of coffee on and started calling the hospital to get some answers.   I was rudely told to not call back again after the 6th call.  I kept calling my exs cell phone and finally reached him and he told me that CAS told him to take my daughter home with him.  I was beside myself that no one bothered to inform me of any of this.  I drank two pots of coffee waiting for the police to call me back.  At 1am the "GOD SQUAD" as I like to call them showed up.  I was interrogated for an hour by two officers and a CAS worker.  They told me I was an alcoholic and wanted me to do a breathalizer.  When I refused they told me I was lying about everything!  They searched my house and when they couldn't find anything they started to berait me.  They told me it was my fault that a babysitter I had gotten for my daughter 4 months ago that inserted his finger into her.  They told me that my daughter hit her head because I was drinking....and so on.  My ex had told them that i drank all the time which is so far from the truth its not funny but they believed everything he said.  They checked on my son who was sleeping and said they were not going to take him because he was sleeping.  I know that CAS would take any child at any time if they thought there was any kind of danger to them.  The next day I found out that my ex was going to keep my daughter indefinitely.  I was completely out of my mind.  I slipped into a depression and couldn't eat or sleep.  Just drink coffee constantly.  CAS showed up 4 days later and told me I had a drinking problem.  I was told that I needed to address the problem to get my daughter back.  I was so upset that I said I would do anythning to get her back.  Just tell me.  i signed release forms and they told me it would be best to move closer to my ex in Peterborough.  i agreed.  i did everything asked of me.  It's been two weeks.  I got to see my daughter for 15 min. at McDonalds.  My son is starting to show signs of distress without his sister and playmate.  i told my ex and CAS that I was going to speak to a lawyer because there was no reason what-so-ever to keep her away from me any longer.  CAS told me that if I pursued this they would file against me and take both my children!  My ex had somewhat agreed that my daughter could come home this weekend but the CAS said that they could not recommend this and he won't go against them because he thinks he would get in trouble.  So now what?  I feel like my daughter has died.  I  went thru all the steps of mourning.  My ex told me on the phone..."now you know how it feels" and laughed histerically!

 I have just found this blog, and not well versed in blogs.

 if someone was thrusted into and now intrenched into a fight for their life and their childs life, not only has the evidence to prove it(and yes i am fully aware of,"its not what you know, its what you can prove") but can demonstate how high it goes up therefore the system is trying to barry you,what do you do? who do you go to?? the evidence i poses identifies: child abuse,mutilation,torture,rape,obstruction of justice, witness tampering,evidence tampering,evidance fabricating,entrapment, wrongful and malicious prosecutions,attempted murder, and a massive amount of sercumstancial evidence to murder(two murders and depending on how the law is interpreted, 2 additional).

If you would like to view,hear and read the proof i will be more than willing to provide the evidence,for the more that posses it,the harder it will be to barry it .

Just thought I'd put my update in with these WITCH-HUNTERS.  It will soon be a month since my little girl was taken from me for no reason.  Here's what has been happening since my last letter.  CAS (Bonnie Conlin)  told me if I didn't snap out of my depression she would take my 4 year old too.  If i got a lawyer to get my 2 1/2 year old returned, she would file against me and take my son too.  I was told after I did an alcohol and drug test we could clear this up immediately.  The test came back negative and my doctor told her she had no concerns about the safety of my children and that I was a binge-drinker( i call it partying) whenever my ex took the kids.  still not good enough.  she said the test didn't go back far enough.  when she saw that I had shaved my head out of personal preference she told be that that ruins any chances of a follicle test and I must have deep emotional problems.  she lied and said that my doctor had concerns about the children.  my doc is clearing that up!!!  she told me I would have to move closer to my ex...i packed up my house and gave notice to move.  she told me to get some help...i booked an appointment with FORECAST.    nothing satisfies this woman or that damed organization.  she hasn't been out to visit on my son for almost two weeks.  she called and said she filing against me.  I hid for the night so she couldn't get my son.  went to Legal Aid and hired a lawyer.  As soon as they called her she called me and told be she wasn't seeking removal of my son but a court order of supervision.  jordyn still can't come home though.  i see my lawyer tomorrow and because my separation papers state that the primary residence is with me and my ex has not filed anything...she might be coming home soon!  of course i thought if i jumped through all their hoops I'd have her back already like she told me!!  no doubt she will file against me to take them both like she threatened to do because she's on a power trip. my doctor and legal aid cannot understand why they think i'm o.k. with my one child but not both....it's all bullshit....i'm out of my depression now and READY TO FIGHT TO GET MY KIDS BACK TOGETHER AGAIN WITH ME!!!!!!! WHERE THEY SHOULD BE!!!! thanks for listening...it helps to get it off my chest.  I'm also joining a class action lawsuit with 'Cherish the Children" not for any financial gain but to help support those who have been wronged by this horrendous organization who seems to have to answer to no one for their innuendous, half-truths and out-right lies.  for trying to beat people into submission with threats.  I lost 20 lbs in the first two weeks and wanted to kill myself.  i was in a very dark place without my little one.  they need to start being accountable.

well...i'm back and no further ahead since i hired a lawyer.  A former CAS lawyer mind you...we're now going on 7 weeks without my babygirl.  I have passed urine tests and refrained from drinking ANY alcohol when I have my son.  Still, not good enough.  I've packed up my house and am trying to find a place closer to their father as REQUESTED by CAS. I've even agreed to rehab which I don't agree with because it is not neccessary....still not good enough.  My ex says i can have my little girl this weekend because he has plans with his girlfriend (by the way, is now the mother to my child since I'm not in the picture for her)....CAS says no.  it looks like I'll have to represent myself in court and get things moveing.....wish me luck....someone.

I wish you all the best.  I went through two lawyers the first time and finally represented myself.  Its amazing how they can change their story a million times.  Oh and I wouldnt trust anyone who used to work for the CAS.  The hard thing is finding someone who IS NOT in bed with them.  Best of luck with everthing.  If you need any support or help let me know.

Pamela...thankyou for responding...how did you make out representing yourself...any pointers?  Any help would be appreciated. Call me 905-349-2129.

I didn't mention that my ex says that i could take my daughter this weekend as he has plans with his girlfriend ( and by the way, I have been letting him take our son on his weekends but he wouldn't let me see our daughter during pickups or dropoffs) as long as CAS approves and they won't let me.

okay...I am just now dealing with CAS...My ex called them on me and made bogus allegations that my fiance beats me and my kids...

The CAS investigated and found them statements to be untrue.. I signed waivers for the CAS to gain access to my children's medical records, because one of the allegations were also that I neglected their medical needs. That proved to be wrong as well,the CAS found my children were up to date on everything.. Where my problem begins is that my fiance was dealing with a drug addiction and I confided in my doctor a few months ago about it. She offered me help and he has since quit doing cocaine. The doctor shared this with my CAS worker but I did not give the CAS access to my medical records, so were my rights violated?

CAS now is saying that they want hair follicle tests of my fiance. My fiance has never done any drugs in or around my home. He did it when he was out with his friends and he would come home after I had the little guys in bed so they never knew about it anyway. Does he have to do a hair follicle test? I asked a friend and she said that he does not have to do it. It has not been three months that he has been off of the drugs. Also they told me that I am not allowed to leave my children alone with him even though he is the father of two of the three of them. They said that if it shows up in his test that they are going to make him move out and get into rehab. How is that fair if he has already quit? It has not been three months yet so it will still obviously show up on his test. They want to come in tomorrow and do this.  If he is made to move out then me and my children will be left to struggle because he is the sole provider in our home. How will he be able to support us from rehab?

I really need advice asap. Can someone please tell me what I should do?

Have him shave his head tonight.  My ex accused me of being a drug addict ( so CAS says... he denies making that call but they claim he did) and they want blood.. then its going to be hair.. and I dont have that kind of time.  I have to get my daughter back NOW before we are at the 24 month mark and they take wardship of her.  Worst part is my daughter is almost 15 and has the right to choose where she wants to live.  Yet no one is listening to her.  I am shaving my head and donating it to locks of love.  Only so they cant spin another wheel, have court put over yet again because now they've thought of something else they need.  They are insane people. The longer they take the more broken your kids become and you stuck sitting there helpless.  Well I can shave my head and get rid of one more wheel spinning for now... who knows what the next one is going to be.   And your ex should be brought up on charges of mischief.  Unfortunatly, in this system with NO WATCH DOG... there is no justice and no accountability.  I dont know what city you are in.. but FYI.. in Hamilton Ontario apprehensions went up last year 91%.  Be very careful dealing with these people.  And Id also write a letter and complain about your doctor to the college.  What she did is illegal.  Not that itll matter in family court.  They dont care how they get the information, legal or not.  Its insane.  110% insane.

Hi Everyone.  I have heard all kinds of crazy stories regarding the Ontario CAS and I have had too many insane dealings with them myself.  I am tired of the abuse of power, corruption, lies, manipulating, and the destruction of happy and healthy children.  I am starting to put together a case to bring to the United Nations to have them investigate the Ontario Children's Aid's practises and to bring the International attention to this matter that we desperatly need. The Ontario Government will then make the RIGHT decision to allow the Ontario Ombudsman to oversee the Children's Aid Society.  To date, the Ontario Government is the LAST province in Canada to listen and the Ontario CAS operates with absolutly NO WATCH DOG.  If you have ever tried to complain about them, you understand exactly what I am talking about.  Any institution that is supposed to be working in the "best of interest of the child" and operates fully to this mandate, should NOT have a problem with the oversight, but CAS has fought hard against it and even denies MPP's questions stating "they cannot interfere in the courts processes" leaving us parents with no where to turn.

What I am asking is anyone, with any documentation (proof) of their lies, manipulations, ETC. to please forward them to me. Audio recordings are needed and accepted as well.  (I have quite a few juicy ones myself I've recorded). I promise unless I have written permission from you, I will keep your name, address, children(s) names, (especially in active cases) 100% confidential.  Whether you have had or are having current dealings with the CAS.  You have the right to access your file, and can obtain copies of their notes, court affidavits, contradicting assessments, etc.  I encourage you to exercise your rights, gain access to this material, gather up your proof and please send it to me.  The way I would like to present it is as such -- Children's Aid's documention/notes, what was filed with the courts, and then your evidence (letters, affidavits, sworn statements, assessements etc.)

 A crazy case I heard about today is about a lady who was told to get braces for her child within a week or the CAS Kingston would apprehend her child.  That is insane and an abuse of power.  My child was identified as "disabled" by the Toronto CAS, but when I had her tested through the Toronto School board, after a huge battle to get her back, she was tested "gifted" and put into the gifted program.  I also got a copy of the affidavit they submitted to the courts telling them "I am out of touch with my daughters educational needs... I have unrealistic expectations of my child"... and it was their excuse to try and keep my child from me for yet another 6 months.   I also have the assessment that they did, which doesn't really say she is disabled, but that did NOT stop them from reporting the truth the courts.  This is the type of documentation I require to get the attention we desperatly need!!!  PICTURES are also accepted!  I have before and after pictures of my child and the change in her is heart breaking and very visual!  Also, any documtation of false police reports, or evidence of how they use the other systems to gain access to your children is greatly needed.  I want to raise awareness to these other systems just what they are being "used" for but through the United Nations so I don't put myself at risk or anyone else brave enough to come forward and support me.

 I am a single mother who is surviving through the system, a credit advocate and professional speaker.  I promise you I will present this better than any lawyer you can find out there.  (I know I've been through 4 so far, and I was able to get further representing myself in a shorter period of time, than all of the lawyers did combined).

 Anyone who has been into a CAS office, and seen the United Nations Mandate they have on a huge plaque hanging on the wall, will understand why I want to bring this to the UN.  They do not live by a single word on that plaque and I want them to be aware of it.  We need action.  We need accountability.  We need our children to be protected and safe.

 Please email me at money_mavin@yahoo.com

 I will share all of my contact information with you as well as my story if need be.  I am also very interested in starting up a support group for parents and kids dealing with or who have dealt with the CAS.  Any parents who have tried to find counselling for their children to help them repair after being broken by a system knows how hard it is to find help that is willing to face the real issues that are affecting your children.  I have been searching for 3 years and have yet to find anyone myself.  If we stand together we really can bring change.  It is the only thing that has helped me to hang on all these years.  I still believe it, and I still want to see it happen.  Lets help each other.  Lets band together and make this change so we can protect our children, our children's children, and other children who are out there at risk to this system.

Sincerely

P. Palmer

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=a%20childs%20torture%20a%20daddys%20fight these are the video's.

but for some not all, text and audio,

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=mychildstorture

My wife and I are in desperate need for some help fighting against C.A.S

These people have taken our lives away from us.  We have done everything they have asked of us.  They put our children in someones care that they know uses drugs, but yet we suffer the consequences.  If anyone can help please contact us.  We do have Lawyers but we are started to feel so helpless.

Ryan contact me at money_mavin@yahoo.com  I can offer you all the support and advice I can.  Ive gone through the same trouble and lawyers only extend things.  Not shorten them like you think.  Youre not helpless yet.  Write me and Ill give you my phone number.

We all have to be tougher and stronger and group together just like those strikers at GM and go straight to the Government in Ottawa and charge, fill up the streets of the whole city demanding to put an end to this and NOW.  Make a date say in 3 months or so from now and demand all children that were not at extreme risk to be returned to the loving families NOW.  Spam the meeting date in newspapers, over the net on car windshields and get everyone together.  Forget the long way of posting and posting and getting no where.  We need to take serious action asap.  They get gay pride day in toronto evry year and thousands if not millions show up.  Why can't we?

I'm not going to make this long and I am not going to disagree.  Taking these children away from the only family they have ever known is wrong.  How do we know it's short term loss.  These children may feel that loss through their entire lives.  And maybe even resent the very people they were sent to.  BUT...... I think it is wrong to base an attack on the CAS for the actions and words of a few.  I know someone who works at CAS and he is kind and gentle with his own children, my children and the neighbourhood children.  His job and the jobs of other CAS workers is to protect children.  The decision to move these children is very misguided, but let's not forget the children that CAS protects and saves everyday.  Boys and girls of every race and religion that are beaten and abused and ultimately saved by these people who can and will lose time with their families and friends to go and save a child who really needs them.  My friend and her husband (who works for CAS) are devoted parents, wonderful people and genuinely kind human beings that I am blessed to know.  The system isn't always fair or right but please don't condemn the entire CAS organization and the people who work in that system because of a few that need to be in a different profession.

How would you feel if for years you have been fighting for your child taking him to child and adolescent services after the school tells you he may be adhd and you do this and this doctor says he would not medicate him now.  The school does thier own testing saying he is adhd and yet the child and adolescent phycologist says he isn't in need of medication.  Then you have the school re-test 2 years later after you get other workers involved from programs within your city to be sure that the proper educational needs are in place and have them re-test.

You have all the backing you need in place and have many people by this time working with your son and discussions going on on how your child would be taught in the school and what all else is going to be in place for him.  Then all of a sudden just before the new tests are done you get this call from cas saying they need to meet with you because of your sons behaviour.  The same behaviours he has had for years.  The new tests came back in btw and state that he is just a slow learner with stress and it is possible that the behaviour is just a way to seek positive attention and basically to relieve stress.  ie.... he cannot be happy in learning as his memory is not that great etc... he is not happy at school in that and gets laughed at but if he acts silly and does stupid things he gets attention and does not care what kind of attention.  The first call I got from CAS I stated I am aware of which son you mean.  I have 3 sons.  I told them he may have adhd and the first word out of the workers mouth is well then you better medicate him.  This just from the words he "MAY HAVE"

I am the mother I know everything about his learning and know when he reads what he reads he cannot answer a single question relating to a story and cannot put it down in sentences. If you read it to him he understands more but cannot grasp it for long term memory.  Some things will stay some things will not.  I was in the process of seeking other learning alternatives for this child.  This boy I signed papers left and right with the school to have many people working with him including the social worker.  I have no idea what is said with him or what has happened, but there is too many suspicious things and thought running through my head at this moment.  Everytime the boy would act up at the school I know he would be going to see the social worker.  This I signed at the beginning of the year to give permission for him to do so only for him to get any help he needed.

This boy may be a handful and some may say he is bad but I fear not anyone would be as patient with him as I am.  I have even had teachers yell at him and then get told myself you do realize he is not an easy child.  I myself have said yes but he is my son and stood up to this teacher myself and told her so and said you may have given up on him but I haven't she was not even going to give him a part in a play saying he would not be able to memorize it anyways. I demanded her to hand me some lines to have him memorize and I worked with him day and night for the short 2 days that were left, much less than given all the other children.  He memorized 3 of the songs and half of the lines.  NObody else would do for this boy what all I have done.

They are the ones who give him permission to go and play instead of doing work because he does not listen.  I found because he does not understand and there is no positive telling him you can do it or extra help that he needs.  One on one at home he can do it.  I was going to have a tutor for him from the school with the new test and the support systems I had in place.  I know in my h ear the problem here is this young boy will do and say anything to get attention away from doing work.  He is a great story teller and if he hears or sees anything will go along with it and keep talking for as long as he can to keep attention.  I was hoping to build his confidence and return some eagerness and happiness to him in learning.  Will I ever know if this strategy will ever work now?

Where is peoples rights to getting second opinions?  What is wrong with delaying things if you think it is in the best interest of a child as a mother you can feel in your heart things are just not right.  I got proof on papers now.  Too late huh, but almost in time.  You go out and get everything lined up as you do not want to have misdiagnosis.  You bring in someone else into meetings with you from other agencies. I take it the school got tired and feared another year of not having him as controlled as they wanted. Yeah I avoided medicating for years, but these programs come too slowly too and you go on waiting lists to acheive them.  Was I really not doing enough for my son. ha You be the judge.  They knew if the tests came back this way they would have to teach him as is and supply a tutor and look at some computer learning and spend more time with him etc... and then be looking for other alternatives.  All I get is all his behaviours is inappropriate, underdisciplined and that to discipline you have to keep at it and not let one thing pass, maybe not enough supervision.  What about the school yard? Not enough teachers on the grounds and who really starts what. I have my son saying he is teased and yet he does not speak up lots at school too.  I really do not know.  Yes, I had problems with him at home but it seems like nothing next to the problems coming from the school.  Let me tell you this is only more reason for him to hate school.

I asked him if he can remember what he said to who at school ie... principal, social worker, teachers etc...  Well the boy is not good at remembering everything and he said I don't remember anything that would do this and that he does not understand.  I just asked him to try harder and to try to stop acting silly and he said ok Mom I will try.  I won't forget that first visit and he said I love you Mom and I am sorry for lying.  I have no idea lying for what.  I feel he has something inside of him too.  Or maybe he feels it is all things over the years.  I don't know.

I am a former Child who was taken into childrens aid custody. Please do everything you can for your children and fight to get back custody.My story is not pretty but here it is...During my stay with C.A.S I was labelled a lyer and a psycho sexual pyschopath at the age of 6 for accusing my father of sexually abusing me and after it came to light that he in fact was they made an agreement with him that he go to counselling to avoid jail witch in turn left me going back every weekend for family visits and being sexually abused for years with children's aid society's knowledge.I was placed in abusive foster homes where we were beaten daily and used for child labour and sexual satisfaction also with the key worker's and children's aid society's knowledge .After going through court where the foster parents were aquitted of the crimes I was sent to a group home only to be forced out and left to live on the streets at the age of 14. I have left out quite a bit of other stuff but I just wanted to let you all know that your children need you and please never give up on the fight against children's aid or for your children. If I had people like all of you in my life I'm sure it would have turned out different and maybe I wouldn't wake up every night crying because to this day I'm still affected by my past and I'm not the only one.

I raised four children alone for thirteen years

 I homeschooled my children as well as they went to a private christian school

the un rights of the child are the most draconian stupid laws to ever exist

america did not sign the   bill because of  conservative  members that know

its a secret policy to destroy families and family rights

the cas  only cares about their own  service    THEY GET PAID WHEN THEY DESTOY FAMILIES

 www.henrymakow.com

wake up canada  wake up america      your  communists are standing at the door

Well CAS (Child Abuse Services) your days of secrecy seem to be over , and your days of whipping parents into submission also over. your days of using the psycological terrorism tatics upon parents also over. Your 5 steps to tyranny is also exposed along with your true agenda to legally kidnap Ontario's children profiteeering off our children also soon over . Believe me CAS soon you will loose your mandate and I guranteee all of us here now will see the day when even our Minister of Youth and Family Services Deb Matthews resignation. We have won CAS its only a little time before we see family law reform. By the next election your positions and abuse of power will be nothing more then the most talked about human rights infringements in this century . All the criminals whom walk holding an iron fist will soon be holding Iron Bars.

Guess what heard a very interesting conversation between two of your case workers they had no idea whom I was and was walking chatting away , what an interestesting coversation they had , Yes CAS we too have ears that record :))) One new case worker was bragging how she received a bonus check in the mail , with her husband saying " what is this for" both happy and surpised to receive this little extra bonus , in which there was an insert describing that , she received the bonus for placing a couple of children in care. She then spoke to the other worker walking beside her wow this is great Im gonna go out and grab a few more children, and they both laughed and continued walking down the road . Yes imagine you case Wackers actually take pleasure in destroying childrens lives , and by the way Im going after thsi case worker , lets see how many laughs you wil have behind bars , I heard Suzie is awaiting and loves fresh meat meoowwwwwwwwwwwww

See you soon CAS but this time you will be the defendants

CAS and every other "child protection" agency does what is in ITS best interest.  If they have run out of prospective children to kidnap in biological parents' homes, the next logical phase is to work from their other set of "leads" - foster parents.  I would never be a foster parent because you are stealing someone else's child.  And just because CAS or whomever says that child was abused, does not mean they were abused.  Natives in this country have been devastated precisely because they have been the victim of child protection, and this victimization is inter-generational.  Give biological parents the help they need, the money they need, if they need it.  Otherwise, leave them alone.  Quit kidnapping children.  And quite taking children that have been kidnapped.  If you can't have children because you are infertile, tough luck - don't steal someone else's.  If you want to do good deeds, work toward exposing and abolishing so-called child protection - the most abusive system to children and families every invented.  Educate yourselves!

Bravo David,

Very well said , this is exactly whats happening , they also use family against family by giving kinship 900 pr child and an authoratarian role . This creates the kinship provider to have a role of power over the lost parents or parent and soon begins to infilitrate family .

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