Hey before you call my MOTHER crazy batshit Turner....think of the simple fact that she has children that ARE still living and we dont need pathetic ass people with nothing better to do with their lives then go on a message boards and go on with bullshit when they have absolutely no idea what they are talkin about!

I suggest that you don't go trawling around "message boards" looking for stories about your mother if you're not prepared to deal with what you'll find. Shirley Turner was a twisted evil woman who murdered the promising Andrew Bagby and who drowned her little boy.

My interest in this is not that I have a couple of friends in common with Andrew, but that our government has agencies that actively enables people like Turner to inflict misery on other humans who in no way deserve it.

Batshit crazy is about right.....read the report in this link:

http://www.canadiancrc.com/Zachary_Turner.htm

It's the full investigation including where CYS failed........including autopsy reports and how she manipulated and used her other children to her own advantage.

I didn't trawly around looking for it, I accidentally found it. but besides the point how do you think that I can't deal with what I will find, dont you think that is pretty stupid, consiering the fact that she was my mother! everyhting that you have to say I have heard, and I would exactly call what you said a "story" about my mother! Really it was just someone, obviously with nothing better to do. Sorry your life is that boring! And also I would like to add in the fact that my mother did not use or manipulate her children because, well I am one of them, and my mother NEVER used me or Manipulated me, and I would know! All I am saying is that why believe everything you hear, I dont, I am not easily manipulated! You guys really have no idea about what went on in her life, and you will never know. Have you ever heard the saying "Until you have walked a mile in their shoes". I just think that if you hanestly have concerns about this, maybe you should look further into read the fine print, which I am sure you never read the WHOLE report, because well incase it was not realized I was sent a copy from Danielle Neville, teh social worker who helped with the investigation! And I read it ALL! Which to me the whole report was just an excuse to make my mother look even worst then what she already did in the judgemental eyes of millions of people. You can not say that my mother murdered Andrew Bagby, That has NEVER been proved and now it cant be proved even if she did, so if your interested in facts, Stick to them! Makes sense right! I just think that it is really low of people when they think of what happened all they think about is the poor "Bagbeys" I mean yes I do understand their pain and suffering but it is not half as bad as having to grow up with your mother being called every name in the book incuding a murdered. And a baby killer. I even had someone look up to me and say you are a physcotic bitch just like your mother. And stuff like that probably would get to a normal 16 year old, but franctly I do not care what people say about my mother, I just wish that they would take into consideration that she has children left in this world, left to deal with an extremely heavy burden! And it just seems like sometimes no one even cares, but I guess that is because no one do....I wish more than anything in this world that someone like yuo could feel the pain me and my brother and sister went through and still go through! I am just sayin maybe a little bit or respect to me and my family would hurt. I have went through enough, I dont think I deserve finding this bullshit while doing an assignment in school, with all my classmates present, and having to leave because it reminded my of what I went through. Seems no matter where I go or what I do there is always someone or something reminding me, At least you can go to bed at night and not feel any pain about this, but I do! evey night for more than 3 years now, and you will never know how it feels.

I am very very disturbed over this entire case. There are so many people that suffer from such a tragedy. I have experienced both sides of the pain that is caused both as a victims's survivor as well as a perpetrator's family member. It is devastating either way. Pain is pain- we cannot say that one side or the other suffers more or less but that each experiences suffering and healing is necessary. Samantha I may have some comforting feedback for you if you are willing to contact me (frankie7@telus.net). And David I understand your pain and frustration. I will pray for healing for all.

Samantha i completely agree with you, but i would because i am your half sister haha, anyways i think you guys should listen to samantha, dont go saying bulshit until you know for a fact it is true all you guys want is popularity and to be the first ones to have a good story well why dont you think about the people out there you are hurting, imagine if this was your kids going through this and dont say that is impossible because you dont know what life will throw at yuo and yuo could be the one killing yourself next, so how about you shut your mouth and for once place yourself in Samantha's shoes, you guys are horrible people and thats all i have to say about you!!!!!

My kid won't be going through this because nether my wife or I are filicides.

Dear Samantha, I am so sorry that I had to read this story, it is very tradgic. But I think you need to look at the facts maybe try to stand on the outside and look in she did kill someone and then a drowning. How can that all just happen to one person and something more not be done. I understand that she is your mother and you love her always but the facts are there you just need to take a closer look inside.

This case is so sad, I can't imagine, it's made news all across Canada. I feel so bad for the Bagby's....In the report it stated that Shirly was living with her son and his girlfriend and the night she fled their apartment the son's girlfriend seen Shirly leaving late in the night with the son....did she think for a moment something wasn't quite right? I am not laying blame....trust me I don't know what happened...but alarm bells must have been sounding.

Anyway I pray for both families. one left with the loss of a son and grandson...the other left with shame and no answers...its really sad for both sides.

Natalie, you are right you dont know the facts, yes that was the jist of what happened, but the baby was fussing and shirly simply wanted to take him for a drive in the car because that calmed him down, it was done many times before so know her sons girlfriend had no reason to find this akward or think anything of it, i really hate that you guys arent getting your facts stright, shirly still has kids around and you are hurting them more and more with your every commet, it is done, havent you ever heard everything happens for a reason, just everyone get the fuck over it please and think about the people who are still hurting over this, Natalie you seem to be the only one with the least bit of sense, please take that and use it and stop writting things

As for miss casey wagner, you dont knwo shit, just becasue it seems like she killed someone doesnt mean it is true, there have been lots of people locked up who havent really comiited the crime, and this could have been just another case of that, you didnt know shirly like her family and friends did, i can guarantee you she was the sweetest women you would ever meet in your life she was not capable of this!

My comment was not meant to hurt....but I can't help by be concerned by the hate in your tone...I could try to understand your fustration...but venting it out in a hateful manner (anybody on both sides of this issue), is not helping you. Sometimes you have to accept that someone you love may have been in a situation they couldn't get themselves out of, their backs against the wall, they fear the worst.

 I know this because someone I loved and still do....killed their girlfriend 10 years ago then turned the gun on himself...it has taken me years to try and see the truth. I still hate the fact that at the end of the day I can't deny what is fact...he did it....I can't help but feel guilty because he never came to me or anyone else for help. I hate the fact that for years he suffered depression and nobody came to his aid...but what can I do now?

Your family is upset and rightfully so, maybe you can use writing as a way of healing...not a way of hating...trust me I know I don't have the facts.....but the document containing 1000 pages of investigation will not be ignored by the public. Again my blog is not meant to hurt anyone.

I just don't understand why Shirly didn't leave the baby with the son's girlfriend...why take him?

Something that you will also learn later in life is that sometimes the people who you love the most will hurt you the most....in hopes that forgiveness is possible.

Again Janeeca this is not a personal attack from me, please believe that.

Natalie, sorry if i affended you, i didn't mean to come across so hateful, i do realize i over react on a lot of things but i think this is a place where i have the right to, you said your friend, comitted murder and then suicide, would you take it so lightly if their where about 35 hate pages on the internet regarding his case, i dont think so, i am not so much trying to defend shirly as i am her kids, i am not saying I know fro a fact she didnt do this, as much as i strongly beleive she didnt i am just saying i would like some people to have a little respect for her children who still have to suffer over this and read these nasty commets.

Once again, sorry Natalie, if you took what i said personal, i was speaking in reference to this page and the fact that people are givin' the opourtunity to hurt Shirly's children even more then they have been. It hurts to see that some people out there actually dont care and most of them have never experienced anything like you and Shirly's children have and they still feel that they have room to speak about it.

Natalie, if you wouldn't mind emailing me personally, i would like to give you a web site to go check out just so you can see the pain that her kids have to experience.

janeecahynes@hotmail.com

OGM I don't know what this is but I'm sitting here looking around on my computer and I seen my FIRST AND LAST name on here talking about someone named Zachary Turner died or something..

that's freaky!

The Zachary Turner that passed away was a baby, someone drowned him and his mom, but yea i would agree that would be pretty scary to come across my name on the internet like this.

There's no "some one"; the mother drowned -- murdered -- Zachary; this fact isn't even remotely in dispute by any sane person.

call me insane then you bitch, fuck how heartless are you, seriously i pitty your kids having to put up with a heartless son of a bitch like you, you didnt witness it so you cant say you know this for a fact so get a fucking life would you! You dont know shit like i said before the only reason you even make a comment is because you just want something to gossip about so hears some advice, gossip about your own pathetic life would you, make your own little website and go and talk about yourself!!

until i see some video clip of shirley comitting this crime i will continue to refer to someone as the murderer alright, so dont even respond to this becasue you are just completelt wasting your time!

You're unusually stupid, even for someone who writes as if they're subliterate. This is my website, kindly fuck off somewhere else if it doesn't trouble you too much.

I said make your own website so that we could talk about you, so this being your website has nothing to fucking do with anything and no i will not fuck off you inconsiderate idiot, and it does trouble me too much, and i will not fuck off, yuo allow people to write all thier bulshit and their opinions on here, so i should be aloud to write mine to, its really sad that because i disagree with you, you have to act like a child and not want me to respond to these commets! TOO BAD!!! i will continue to make sure everyone who signs this knows my oppinion someone who actually lived through the pain and watched her children suffer, and still to this day watch her children suffer, you are a very heartless person! VERY HEARTLESS!!

Are you off your meds, or just your rocker?

Off my meds or rocker? you want to explain what you mean by rocker??? and i dont take any medicine sorry!

wow, I really didn't mean to come in here and get into this, I mean, if you were looking around and seen your first and last name in a website then you would go look at it too. I just skimed around a little, I should of read it before I said anything...

Sorry anyone who I offended...

But I did get some pretty mean replies, kinda un-called for don't you think?

But I'll pray for Zachary Turner and his Mother.

Hey Dave:

 You certainly seem to be able to attract "special" people to your blog. But as I can't attract any... Ha ha ha!!!

 Hey Zac - instead of praying for them why not work for justice.

 Janeeca and Samatha - Figuring out what happened to Andrew and Zachary isn't rocket science. Shirley Turner killed Andrew in a possessive rage and then was too much of a coward to face the consequences so she took her own life and selfishly killed her son aswell. Under different circumstances it could as easily have been either of you. Accept the fact that your Mom, Shirley Turner was a headcase. That might be sad and painful but not being able to accept it suggests that both of you are well on the way to growing up just like your Mother - which is pathetic.

And BTW there is no theory of another killer. There is no mysterious third person out there with blood on his/her hands. Both of you should get on with your lives and stop obscessing about someone who cared so little about her own children (both of you) she was willing to abandon them to go off to medical school and then do it again by killing herself.

What exactly am I supposed to accept here. That everyone here is so concerned about justice being served, but yet they have a problem accepting innocent until proven guilty(by law). No one here has the right to condemm my mother a murderer. Am I supposed to accept she killed Andrew when there was never a trial. Never any proof. The only thing they had to link her to it was that she was in the city he was killed in, along with thousands of other people. She had the same gun as he was killed with, and incase you dont know it was a 22 calibour hand gun, is that not a very popular gun that many people who live in the states posses and have for protection. So the gun doesnt prove it was her. Then they say she fled, and here is where you ALL need to realize, This is why they were havign such a hard time gettin my mother extradited back to the United States, Because it was hard to prove she fled, When my brother was in a car accident and almost died, and THAT is why she came home! And no one could prove other wise, the main reason my mother was never extradited. Dont think I have not read the same report you all have read, I won my own set of the books, And I have read them, more than once. If you even think for one minute that everything worte in that book is ALL fact. Sorry but you are sadly mistaken. Most of the things written in that books, is what I call hearsay, they never researched all the information on that book, 99% of it is what people told them. and just to let you know people lie! If you only knew all the lies in it, and yes I can prove they are lies, and So can many other of my family members. My point is that no one can prove my mother killed Andrew, So sorry, but that makes it NOT a FACT! Something you people need to get through those thick heads of yours. And as for the fact that my mother couldn't deal with the fact she killed Andrew, and that is why she killed herself.....Can you prove that! Nope sorry YOU cant. None of you can. If the blog is to do with justice then stick to what IS facts and not fiction. And just so you know also...I dont think the fact that my mother went to Medical school and I stayed with my father is exactly abandonment. I was not left on the streets with no food or shelter I never done without, and I saw my mother ALL the time. It is no different then when other families seperate, obviosly you cant live with both of your parents, You have to live with one....and I lived with my father. How is it any different that if I stayed living with my mother, that I guess my father would have abandoned me huh! Seriously. I think I will judge if I was abandoned or not. I dint feel abandoned, especially not when my mother called me mostly everynite we were apart. I hardly call that abandonment. And yes actually IDIOT there was another suspect. SO get over yourself. You hardly even know what you are talking about. And just to let you know I have tried to get on with my life, but when I stumble accross shit like this, I am not going to ignore it. I have more buisness writting here than you do. ANd I hardly call this obsessing. And my mother did care....More than you or anyone else will ever know...So you sir can frankly go f**k yourself, and Accept the fact that you are WRONG and dont know shit, and maybe you should accept the facts that whoever your mother is, abviosuly wasent that good of a mother either, She obviosly never taught you to how to have compassion on how to mind your own god damn buisness.....ANd I guess you better hope I dont turn out like my mother and have futs of rage, eh....or maybe I would be cray ebough to come look for you, and make you pay, haha. Just something for you to think about! If you think my mother was that big of a headcase, and I am going to turn put like her, maybe you sir shouldn;t f**k around!

"Am I supposed to accept she killed Andrew when there was never a trial. Never any proof." Accept what you want - Mommy Dearest made sure there would never be a trial so as you point out none of us will ever know for sure and we all have to reach our own conclusions (which is our right) based on the available information. If you are so offended by the information that is out there why don't you write your own "tell all" account of the events.

"I won my own set of the books". - That's great! I'm really happy for you.

"Most of the things written in that books, is what I call hearsay..." - Doesn't matter what you call it. What matters is what a court would call it.

"I have more buisness writting here than you do." - Cool - I hope you writ gud buisness

"So you sir can frankly go f**k yourself, and Accept the fact that you are WRONG and dont know shit, and maybe you should accept the facts that whoever your mother is, abviosuly wasent that good of a mother either, She obviosly never taught you to how to have compassion on how to mind your own god damn buisness....." I know enought about compassion to know that when you defer and deny a difficult fact you are only postponing your emotional pain. I have enough compassion for you to know that the energy you are spending on these pointless rants will only help you to cry yourself to sleep at night years from now. That is truly sad and once again I can only think of your mother and how selfish she was to have left you in this awful position.

"...I guess you better hope I dont turn out like my mother and have futs of rage, eh....or maybe I would be cray ebough to come look for you, and make you pay, haha". Zing! and just when I was feeling sorry for you! - Did Mom leave you her gun?. But I should point out that threatening to kill me won't change anything and issuing threats, even over the Internet can get you in trouble with the law.

I have been reading this, Samantha when your ranting and threatening it drives home the unstable life you have lead.

I hope that the Turner children left behind have relationships with individuals who come from stable homes, free of jealousy and hate...I hope the man you marry has had a loving childhood and is close to their family, if not you will all be in for a lifetime of bitterness and hate.

A childhood that is scared with abuse, hatred, etc....leads to an extrememly difficult adult life, filled with bitterness and hate, not trusting....the list goes on!

Maybe seeking help would be more healthy the the hatred in your email Samantha, you have to face the fact that people will always shutter when the name Shirley Turner is mentioned.

I knew Sherily turner and as far as i knew she never had a daughter name samantha.  I met all of her children and never met one name samantha.  I dont know who this person is, but unless Shirley had another child she never talked about. She was an evil woman, so who knows.  I just hope the people she murdered are resting in peace...

You are right she never did have a daughter named samantha, but the person using the name samantha is one of her daughters just not using her real name, if shirly actually did talk about her kids to you then you would know which daughter it actually was you clueless bitch!

I actually worked with her, and YES, she was a nutcase...She screwed around with a lot of guys here in Iowa (several were half her age!), before getting pregnant with Zachary.  She was odd and strange, but it was still a shock to hear just how demented she got.  I think her actions, the cell phone calls 'faking' sick to work and other calls that were traced along the route she took to kill Mr. Bagby are proof enouyght that she was deceptive and killed him...why? Because he knew she was a psycho and wanted nothing to do with her...So preach all you want about the justice system, but none of that will undo her crimes, or bring back those she MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD...And some of you need badly to take an good English class-spelling and grammar are basic third grade knowledge...No need to swear, unless it makes you feel like a GROWN UP!!!

To see the movie trailer on myspace, then go to the memorial website, and then see all this on a blog site, it is very heart breaking. I have no right to post my opinions here about this subject, I know nothing about it. All I can say is that I hope all the people involved in this tragedy can someday heal.

What an evil crazy pathetic old hag bitch. Fuck her and fuck her family too. Yeah I said it. How dare anyone come and defend such a horrible excuse for a mother. Her parents fucked up, she fucked up... At least she's in hell or at least deserves it while both people she MURDERED are not and dont.

Man what a lunatic bitch

I will say it again, I hope her children find themselves in relationships with people who have come from a stable, loving, non-abusive home life.

They will need to have adults in their life they can look up too, not be surrounded by family drama, negativity and hate. (Moreso her adult children, need to have love and peace, fall in love with people from a loving home...not negative drama and hate do yourselves a favor).

I pray for them all.